It's not very wrong, humans are the only living things with basic understanding and can properly turn the earth into a civilization, and they can appreciate the universe more than anything, I'm sure not even monkeys know that the moon is not a lightball
@Quentin It's not exactly like the universe has been affected by humans, though. At most you could say the solar system has been noticeably affected by humans, but Earth is the only part of it that has been really changed. Furthermore, the universe's "problems" are only problems because there are living creatures that can comprehend what is bad for them and them only. The universe doesn't have any problems because it lacks sentience, and as a result cannot consider anything a "problem" nor has any problems to begin with as nothing bad is going to happen to it.
I honestly don't understand how people continue to try to justify genocide with the idea that the world would be better off without humans. It's just perpetuating the bs that humans are "naturally evil."
@Brainstorm On the contrary, I'd say the opposite. It's safer to assume that there is other intelligent life in the universe than to claim that there isn't. We still don't even really know how life on Earth first started, so we really can't say whether or not the situations that led to life first forming on Earth can't happen on other planets. Furthermore, the likelihood that it cannot happen on other planets is highly unlikely, as if it happened on Earth, regardless of how unlikely it was to happen at all, it's still likely that it will happen again eventually due to the sheer amount of planets there are in the galaxy, let alone universe.
Plus, the sheer size of the universe, especially in comparison to how much mankind has more or less seen, makes it highly likely that intelligent life exists that we simply haven't seen yet. It's also very well possible that our technology simply cannot detect the closest intelligent life regardless, as assuming that they are more advanced than us, they may very well use a form of communication we haven't discovered yet and as thus cannot detect. Overall I don't think that the "if we haven't discovered it then we should assume it doesn't exist" mindset is a good one.
We'll assume everything you said is very correct, jarr, now that we have dragged the argument to a higher point, how exactly; "a lot of the universe's problems would be gone if humans ceased to exist.", because since all other forms of intelligent life are not on earth.
Also, if you say that there are super-intelligent beings out there, then why not say that they will invent time travel before us, since they are more intelligent than us? And maybe they could be even more damage to the universe than us, given they are much more intelligent and probably have higher technology
I honestly don't understand people who think all aliens that could ever exist are more intelligent and less destructive than us
@Brainstorm I'm pretty sure most people don't think that. It's possible that there are aliens that are much more advanced than us, and it's possible that they aren't. There are even theories that humans are the first species to get to our level of advancement. We simply don't know whether or not there is other species of our level or higher in the universe. Presumably there is, but we don't know yet and likely won't know for a while.
I don't even think time travel will be possible, just an opinion, and even if that happens, since we haven't seen anything from the future, they probably can't travel to the past..
And, once again, how do we know that no other beings have created time travel before us and spread infection?
I did not say that animals aren't intelligent, I said that humans are more intelligent than anything else on earth that has been discovered, and that humans have the intelligence capable of understanding the world they are in and turning it into a civilization
Also what do you consider a civilisation? Ants have a civilisation with ants spread worldwide. They have a hierarchy and i dont know for sure but they might be able to communicate. Are those intelligent brainstorm?
@Debator I think he means civilization as in one that no longer requires hunting and gathering. While ants do build their own homes, they still generally do rely on hunting and gathering. They just don't need to move around as much as early humans did because food for them is much easier to find, especially now that there are humans with over abundances of food throughout the world. A sandwich, for example, can generally only feed a single human, but can feed an entire colony of ants.
Furthermore, ants lack even the most primitive of human technologies. They lack the ability to learn about the world around them, and instead focus solely on the survival of themselves and the colony. Humans, even before we evolved into homo sapiens, have used primitive technology such as basic tools for a very long time. Once we began grouping together to form villages and eventually civilizations, we began to learn more and more about the world around us, such as metals and various forms of agriculture. Ants may have the rough outline of a civilization, but humans have had full on society for thousands of years.