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Best pantheon configuration

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  • ShylightShylight Moderator, Friendly, Helpful, Flagger Posts: 6,452 Mod
    Scruuia should only be slotted in the moment before you pop your wrinklers, into the diamond slot. Thus Jeremy is a much better choice for the jade slot (well, considering you're playing passively, much better to have him in ruby for active play).
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  • bob_32_116bob_32_116 Member Posts: 749 ✭✭✭
    Shylight said:

    Scruuia should only be slotted in the moment before you pop your wrinklers, into the diamond slot.

    ...and, presumably, left in the slot after popping, until all the wrinklers have respawned?
  • BillaboBillabo Member, Friendly, Conversationalist, Turquoise Posts: 1,221 Mod
    edited July 2017


    ...and, presumably, left in the slot after popping, until all the wrinklers have respawned?

    No, it only matters when you're popping the wrinklers. After popping them, you can switch back.

    Oh right, it causes wrinklers to appear faster, so yeah, you can leave it in until all the wrinklers have spawned.
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  • ShylightShylight Moderator, Friendly, Helpful, Flagger Posts: 6,452 Mod

    ...and, presumably, left in the slot after popping, until all the wrinklers have respawned?

    Yep. No reason not to let it sit there for 5 minutes.
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  • adam_antichristadam_antichrist Member Posts: 499 ✭✭✭
    Shylight said:



    That is not at all how it works. Skruuia only applies at the moment you pop your wrinklers, same with Wrinklerspawn for example.

    How do you know this?



    I only just realised why that spirit is named Jeremy! Maybe I'm just slow... guess members in certain other countries would have picked it up immediately.

    wtf are you talking about Bob

  • BillaboBillabo Member, Friendly, Conversationalist, Turquoise Posts: 1,221 Mod
    edited July 2017


    How do you know this?

    Here's the code implementing Skruuia's sucking effect. It is within the function for popping a wrinkler.
    if (Game.hasGod) { var godLvl=Game.hasGod('scorn'); if (godLvl==1) me.sucked*=1.15; else if (godLvl==2) me.sucked*=1.1; else if (godLvl==3) me.sucked*=1.05; }
    So what that means is it just multiplies the amount sucked when you pop the wrinkler, rather than actually changing the amount sucked while the spirit is active. Skruuia's text is misleading.
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  • bob_32_116bob_32_116 Member Posts: 749 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Billabo said:


    How do you know this?

    Here's the code implementing Skruuia's sucking effect. It is within the function for popping a wrinkler.
    if (Game.hasGod) { var godLvl=Game.hasGod('scorn'); if (godLvl==1) me.sucked*=1.15; else if (godLvl==2) me.sucked*=1.1; else if (godLvl==3) me.sucked*=1.05; }
    So what that means is it just multiplies the amount sucked when you pop the wrinkler, rather than actually changing the amount sucked while the spirit is active. Skruuia's text is misleading.
    Thanks for that. Would I be right in guessing that the other things that enhance wrinkler output, Sacrilegous Corruption and Wrinklerspawn, work the same way? From the user's point of view it makes no difference whether the increase occurs throughout the lifetime of the wrinkler or just at the moment of popping, since those two upgrades are not things you can switch in and out, unlike Skruuia, where it does make a difference.

  • bob_32_116bob_32_116 Member Posts: 749 ✭✭✭




    I only just realised why that spirit is named Jeremy! Maybe I'm just slow... guess members in certain other countries would have picked it up immediately.

    wtf are you talking about Bob
    It's Jeremy Corbyn!

  • BillaboBillabo Member, Friendly, Conversationalist, Turquoise Posts: 1,221 Mod


    Thanks for that. Would I be right in guessing that the other things that enhance wrinkler output, Sacrilegous Corruption and Wrinklerspawn, work the same way?

    Correct, they each multiply the amount sucked by 1.05 whenever a wrinkler is popped.
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  • JezDavisJezDavis Member Posts: 192 ✭✭

    According to my spreadsheet the best assignment of spirits in slots is:

    Diamond: Mokalsium
    Ruby: Holobore
    Jade: Skruuia


    Not for me. I just opened up a second window, replaced Jeremy with Skuuria and my CPS dropped from 23.8 to 23.1. As you say though, probably dependent upon individuals' building total and level positions.

  • bob_32_116bob_32_116 Member Posts: 749 ✭✭✭
    Jez said:

    According to my spreadsheet the best assignment of spirits in slots is:

    Diamond: Mokalsium
    Ruby: Holobore
    Jade: Skruuia


    Not for me. I just opened up a second window, replaced Jeremy with Skuuria and my CPS dropped from 23.8 to 23.1. As you say though, probably dependent upon individuals' building total and level positions.

    Well since I made that post my understanding of how Skruuia operated has been corrected. Now that I know the boost only happens at the moment the wrinklers are popped, I agree that Jeremy is better than Skruuia in the Jade slot.

  • ChocolateMachineChocolateMachine Member Posts: 105 ✭✭
    I think I found confirmation that Jeremy does actually only affect the buildings, not the global multiplier. I sold all my buildings and bought back 11 cursors, and they were producing just over 50% of the total.

    Cursors only have three doubler upgrades, so with no other buildings they produce 0.8 CpS times the multiplier. And 8.8 < 9, but 8.8 × 1.03 > 9. That 3% from Jeremy affected only the eleven cursors, not the rest of production, putting them over 50% of the total.

    This is a really extremely important difference that has a massive effect on overall production. Do not confuse "buildings produce 3% more" with "global multiplier +3%".
  • bob_32_116bob_32_116 Member Posts: 749 ✭✭✭

    I think I found confirmation that Jeremy does actually only affect the buildings, not the global multiplier. I sold all my buildings and bought back 11 cursors, and they were producing just over 50% of the total.

    Cursors only have three doubler upgrades, so with no other buildings they produce 0.8 CpS times the multiplier. And 8.8 < 9, but 8.8 × 1.03 > 9. That 3% from Jeremy affected only the eleven cursors, not the rest of production, putting them over 50% of the total.

    This is a really extremely important difference that has a massive effect on overall production. Do not confuse "buildings produce 3% more" with "global multiplier +3%".

    I'm obviously not understanding something here. You say "That 3% from Jeremy affected only the eleven cursors, not the rest of production". What rest of production? Didn't you sell everything else, so cursors would have been the only thing producing? (Except possibly "egg".)

  • ChocolateMachineChocolateMachine Member Posts: 105 ✭✭
    "egg".
  • bob_32_116bob_32_116 Member Posts: 749 ✭✭✭
    ^^ Sorry, I missed your sarcasm. :)
  • adam_antichristadam_antichrist Member Posts: 499 ✭✭✭
    Has anyone played around with Cyclius? There is obviously no net benefit to leaving it in a slot, but switching it for something else after few hours should theoretically be beneficial, if the cycle always starts at zero and increases. Does anyone know if this is how the spirit operates or is the amount and/or direction of the boost randomly generated upon slotting?

  • DrathukDrathuk Member Posts: 8
    edited August 2017
    Yes, Cyclius is set and not random for me it starts positive at 5pm pst. So I slot it then, and take it out in the morning. I usually get a few hours of negative buff, so it is less than the 3.75 average boost for 24 hour time frame. Best use is in jade slot imho.
  • bob_32_116bob_32_116 Member Posts: 749 ✭✭✭
    I haven't been using it, but according to the Wikia, the cycle runs according to Universal Time, with one of the negative to positive crossover points always occurring at 0000 UTC.
  • adam_antichristadam_antichrist Member Posts: 499 ✭✭✭

    I haven't been using it, but according to the Wikia, the cycle runs according to Universal Time, with one of the negative to positive crossover points always occurring at 0000 UTC.

    Cool that's 10am for me

  • adam_antichristadam_antichrist Member Posts: 499 ✭✭✭
    I've just noticed my CPS declining as I'm trying to calculate each building CPS from purchasing and subtracting etc. Cyclius on the downslope of the CPS boost makes it harder to accurately assess CPS per building which is the foundation of my buying strategy. I've just got to wait a couple of hours until it's time to take Cyclius out of the slot again but this new info may be relevant to whomever.

  • RavectiveRavective Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    I switch Mokalsium and Holobore, because I never really cast FTHOF
  • dparejadpareja Member Posts: 385 ✭✭✭
    edited January 27
    Ravective said:

    I switch Mokalsium and Holobore, because I never really cast FTHOF

    There's a point at which Mokalsium is just way better than Holobore. You should have them both set*, but once you have enough kittens and milk, you should have Mokalsium in Diamond and Holobore in Ruby.

    *EDIT: If you have the Golden Switch on and don't cast Force the Hand of Fate. (And anyway, once you go to full idle, there's only one situation in which you should be casting FtHoF: when you've gotten the "Sweet" effect out of it and so can get it again. In that case, I'd set Mokalsium/Jeremy/Selebrak; otherwise I'd set Mokalsium/Holobore/Jeremy.)
  • bob_32_116bob_32_116 Member Posts: 749 ✭✭✭
    I'm still not sure of the best pantheon strategy during the early part of the run, when I'm buying lots of stuff waiting to get to the point where it's worth turning on Golden Switch. At this point you are still going to be clicking golden cookies, so obviously you don't want Holobore in a slot. You will also frequently be busting wrinklers, so it makes sense to have Skruuia slotted rather than Mokalsium. The situation is complicated by the fact that there is a limit on how frequently you can switch spirits in and out of slots or between slots, and it's a bad idea to use all three swaps because this forces you to wait 24 hours before doing the next swap.

    Given that CpS is somewhat lower in this part of the run than later, I don't know how much it matters what strategy is adopted. However this is the routine I seem to have fallen into:
    - Skruuia goes into Diamond slot
    - Jeremy in jade slot
    - Ruby slot stays empty. I don't think it's worth using up a swap, given that I will want to put Holobore in ruby as soon as I stop clicking golden cookies.

    Once Golden switch is on, I put Holobore in ruby, as soon as i can do so without bringing my swaps to zero. Then, once I am into idling mode and have got to the stage where I am popping wrinklers only once every few hours, Mokalsium replaces Skruuia in diamond - again, swaps permitting.

    I don't know if this is the optimal strategy, but it's the one that gives me the least stress.
  • dparejadpareja Member Posts: 385 ✭✭✭
    I disagree with Skruuia in any slot except when you're popping wrinklers. It increases the chance of Clots and Ruins too much.

    Here's my start-of-run strategy (I define "start-of-run" as the entire time before I get to the building distribution I want, so it can be a while, depending on how busy I am and how much I can play):

    1. Put Godzamok in Diamond. This is to use the usual Godzamok strategy with Click frenzies.
    2. Buy upgrades, buy buildings in order to get all the upgrades that come from that, together with some clicking for the mouse upgrades and going through Christmas for Santa's upgrades, and of course getting the secondary aura slot on Krumblor.
    3. After I get the swap back, put Selebrak in Ruby. This increases the chance of random drops for the seasons.
    4. At some point, switch into Valentine's.
    5. Any time I get a Cookie storm or Cookie chain, switch into Easter.
    6. Once I've got the worship swap back, put Skruuia in Diamond, go into Easter (or, if I somehow got all the eggs, Halloween) and pop wrinklers until I've got all the eggs and Halloween cookies. (Sometimes I'll change my secondary Krumblor aura to Mind Over Matter for this.) Note that this is the only time I pop wrinklers except at the very end of the run before I buy the Chocolate egg--I don't need the cookies, because I get enough from Godzamok.
    7. Then switch Godzamok back in (whether or not the worship swap is back) and use the Godzamok strategy to get to the desired building distribution. This will likely take rather longer than 5 hours, which is why you don't need to worry about the worship swap regeneration time.
    8. Once that's all achieved, hit the Golden Switch and put in Mokalsium/Holobore/Jeremy.

    I don't want either Mokalsium or Jeremy slotted while I'm building up, since I want maximum overlap on my Golden Cookie effects. Don't forget that Selebrak makes Golden Cookies appear a little more often, too.
  • bob_32_116bob_32_116 Member Posts: 749 ✭✭✭
    ^^ I'm sure your strategy makes sense. I think I've just got to the stage where even when I am playing the game "actively", I'm really just going for the point where I can turn on GS as soon as possible and just relax and let it idle.

    Maybe that's a sign I'm not getting that much out of the game any more and need to move on. I've also considered starting another game from scratch. Pantheon and grimoire and chancemakers were not in the game when I began plaing, and the early phase seems to be when it's the most fun, so it might be interesting to see how those features change the experience.
  • dparejadpareja Member Posts: 385 ✭✭✭
    Not much. You don't get Chancemakers for quite a while, anyway, and don't forget that the Pantheon and Grimoire can't be unlocked until after your first ascension.
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