Important: NEW RULE - Rules of bumping threads

Chisako · December 2015

Thanks for taking the time to read this.

You now get the rare opportunity to have a little bit
of influence on 'if rules should be enforced or not'.
Don't panic, i'm not talking about a dictatorship or anything.

Recently some people have complained about (necro)bumping
and it's out of question that it is annoying most of the time.

I'm now asking you, should we be more strict with bumps?

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Since we have no fixed rules about anything, just have a
little reminder about the guidelines regarding bumps:

- not more than one bump within 12 hours
(by the same person, including alts)
- no pointless bumps
(you can bump to revive a conversation, a game or an
AMA but not just to bump it)
- no needless bumping of ridiculous long activity posts
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Additional comments are welcome.

EDIT: Made this an announcement, so you can't say you didn't know about it, also updated the title.

edgy · December 2015

No

as long as they're not doing it to spam, i dont see the problem

OldMammal · December 2015

Tellurium

Misclick, I wanted to say neutral.

edgy · December 2015

No

ExplodingCamel said:
Misclick, I wanted to say neutral.

You chose neutral.

Chisako · December 2015

Leon said:
as long as they're not doing it to spam, i dont see the problem

i see the problem that "bump" on thread that died months ago is spam.
and this question is basically just about stuff like that.

OldMammal · December 2015

Tellurium

Leon said:

ExplodingCamel said:
Misclick, I wanted to say neutral.
You chose neutral.

No I chose tellurium

edgy · December 2015

No

ExplodingCamel said:

Leon said:

ExplodingCamel said:
Misclick, I wanted to say neutral.
You chose neutral.
No I chose tellurium

Well there is no option called "neutral" so I don't see how you misclicked.

OldMammal · December 2015

Tellurium

Leon said:

ExplodingCamel said:

Leon said:

ExplodingCamel said:
Misclick, I wanted to say neutral.
You chose neutral.
No I chose tellurium
Well there is no option called "neutral" so I don't see how you misclicked.

I meant misselect, I was trying to hack chisy, delete the poll, create a new one, and add neutral.

Rockheart · December 2015

Your joke ≠ Funny.

Uiomancant · December 2015

Yes

If there's guidelines, Enforce the shit outta them.

Then become a dictator.

Problems solved.

¤RunninginReverse¤ · December 2015

ExplodingCamel said:

Leon said:

ExplodingCamel said:

Leon said:

ExplodingCamel said:
Misclick, I wanted to say neutral.
You chose neutral.
No I chose tellurium
Well there is no option called "neutral" so I don't see how you misclicked.
I meant misselect, I was trying to hack chisy, delete the poll, create a new one, and add neutral.

That's one heck of a misclick.
Also, we can't stop using Tellurium in place of Neutral, because now it's a forum meme.

Cookiewoodstock · December 2015

Yes

Currently it's fair game to necrobump via best of by giving agrees to various posts. This needs to be fixed.

OldMammal · December 2015

Tellurium

Cookiewoodstock said:
Currently it's fair game to necrobump via best of by giving agrees to various posts. This needs to be fixed.

if you will argue about zicit and i not wanting coraabia activity berng irrelevant because only we care, then i can also say your argument dosnt matter because only you and dlk care

Cookiewoodstock · December 2015

Yes

ExplodingCamel said:

Cookiewoodstock said:
Currently it's fair game to necrobump via best of by giving agrees to various posts. This needs to be fixed.
if you will argue about zicit and i not wanting coraabia activity berng irrelevant because only we care, then i can also say your argument dosnt matter because only you and dlk care

Chisako's also taken notice. Hell, they've said that it's one of the main reasons they made this thread, mind you.

And clearly all the Yes voters also care.

Billabo · December 2015

Tellurium

Cookiewoodstock said:

And clearly all the Yes voters also care.

The poll is about bumping threads, not adding reactions.

Cookiewoodstock · December 2015

Yes

Billabo said:

Cookiewoodstock said:

And clearly all the Yes voters also care.
The poll is about bumping threads, not adding reactions.

Reactions can necrobump posts.

Best Of will add a post, regardless of age, to the top, if it has 1 promote or 5 total awesomes/agrees.

Regardless of how often it is used, it'll still necrobump the thread, and a necrobump is a necrobump.

Is a toaster oven not a toaster, just because it has that door? No. It's still a goddamn toaster.

Is a necrobump via points not a necrobump, just because it bumps to Best Of, and not Discussions? No. It's still a goddamn necrobump.

OldMammal · December 2015

Tellurium

Cookiewoodstock said:

Billabo said:

Cookiewoodstock said:

And clearly all the Yes voters also care.
The poll is about bumping threads, not adding reactions.
Reactions can necrobump posts.

Best Of will add a post, regardless of age, to the top, if it has 1 promote or 5 total awesomes/agrees.

Regardless of how often it is used, it'll still necrobump the thread, and a necrobump is a necrobump.

Is a toaster oven not a toaster, just because it has that door? No. It's still a goddamn toaster.

Is a necrobump via points not a necrobump, just because it bumps to Best Of, and not Discussions? No. It's still a goddamn necrobump.

nice analogy m8
nobody excpect you checks best of
everyone checks discussion

Billabo · December 2015

Tellurium

Cookiewoodstock said:

Billabo said:

Cookiewoodstock said:

And clearly all the Yes voters also care.
The poll is about bumping threads, not adding reactions.
Reactions can necrobump posts.

Best Of will add a post, regardless of age, to the top, if it has 1 promote or 5 total awesomes/agrees.

Regardless of how often it is used, it'll still necrobump the thread, and a necrobump is a necrobump.

Is a toaster oven not a toaster, just because it has that door? No. It's still a goddamn toaster.

Is a necrobump via points not a necrobump, just because it bumps to Best Of, and not Discussions? No. It's still a goddamn necrobump.

Clearly we disagree about the definition of a bump. On most forums, there isn't even a "Best Of" section, and a bump is adding a post to a thread. I think it would be unfair to say that when you're looking through an old thread, either because you're new or just to revisit it, that you can't Agree or Awesome a comment you like unless the thread is still actively being added to. Yesterday, I saw BurntCookie's top 20 thread for the first time, and I saw some cool or funny stuff I hadn't seen before. I added reactions, because I liked them.

Laura · December 2015

Tellurium

Zicit said:

Cookiewoodstock said:

Billabo said:

Cookiewoodstock said:

And clearly all the Yes voters also care.
The poll is about bumping threads, not adding reactions.
Reactions can necrobump posts.

Best Of will add a post, regardless of age, to the top, if it has 1 promote or 5 total awesomes/agrees.

Regardless of how often it is used, it'll still necrobump the thread, and a necrobump is a necrobump.

Is a toaster oven not a toaster, just because it has that door? No. It's still a goddamn toaster.

Is a necrobump via points not a necrobump, just because it bumps to Best Of, and not Discussions? No. It's still a goddamn necrobump.
bumping on Best Of =/= bumping on the discussions list

No one besides you checks Best Of nowadays, so it really doesn't matter if Leon gives reactions to old posts.

The only thing would be if those reactions were false or
not... But seeing how people are, it just doesn't even matter...
... Not like aything really matters that much in this forum...

... I guess this "Best Of" thing is where all those ghost points
came from?...

Jarr2003 · December 2015

Yes

For extra effect, you might want to get a bit more strict on locking old threads. As in if a thread is old and there is nothing to add to it, just lock it. I don't mean lock threads that are a month old, mainly threads that are around a year old that people can't really add to anymore (ex. Joke polls. ex. of a thread that shouldn't be locked: a gender poll that hasn't gotten a post in a while but is still useful). Plus, any pointless bump should be locked.

MasterSparky · December 2015

Yes

Jarr2003 said:
For extra effect, you might want to get a bit more strict on locking old threads. As in if a thread is old and there is nothing to add to it, just lock it. I don't mean lock threads that are a month old, mainly threads that are around a year old that people can't really add to anymore (ex. Joke polls. ex. of a thread that shouldn't be locked: a gender poll that hasn't gotten a post in a while but is still useful). Plus, any pointless bump should be locked.

One possible solution could be automatically locking threads that are older than page 100 of All Discussions.

Cookiewoodstock · December 2015

Yes

So, if it's okay for Leon to necrobump via Best Of because "nobody uses best of", I guess I can necrobump in the Nested category because nobody plays Nested.

Forget that it's a necrobump, and that's against the rules, nobody uses it, so it's okay to break rules there! ...right?

OldMammal · December 2015

Tellurium

Cookiewoodstock said:
So, if it's okay for Leon to necrobump via Best Of because "nobody uses best of", I guess I can necrobump in the Nested category because nobody plays Nested.

Forget that it's a necrobump, and that's against the rules, nobody uses it, so it's okay to break rules there! ...right?

no
if i get an old post on best of, nobody sees it
if i bump a nested post, everybody sees it

also it doesnt brak rules

MasterSparky · December 2015

Yes

*facepalm*

Billabo · December 2015

Tellurium

Cookiewoodstock said:
So, if it's okay for Leon to necrobump via Best Of because "nobody uses best of", I guess I can necrobump in the Nested category because nobody plays Nested.

Forget that it's a necrobump, and that's against the rules, nobody uses it, so it's okay to break rules there! ...right?

Discussions is used to see what threads are being added to so you can read them and add on to them yourself. Best Of is a place to see good posts. They serve a different purpose, and there's not ~~much~~any harm in bumping Best Of. Bumping in Discussions causes people to think there's an active thread, only to realize that it was just a necrobump.

Cookiewoodstock · December 2015

Yes

M_____S_____ said:

*facepalm*

No one ever plays Nested nowadays, so it really doesn't matter if you necrobump old posts on that subforum.

Cookiewoodstock · December 2015

Yes

Zicit said:

Cookiewoodstock said:
No one ever plays Nested nowadays, so it really doesn't matter if you necrobump old posts on that subforum.
They would still show up in Recent Discussions.

"Best Of" and "Recent Discussions" are on the same menu. You can both access them from the header. They're literally only separated by 2 buttons; Activity and Inbox.

But hey, since nobody uses one of those buttons, it's free to necrobump using that, right? And since nobody uses Nested, it's free to necrobump with that, right?

edgy · December 2015

No

Cookiewoodstock said:
Hell, they've said that it's one of the main reasons they made this thread, mind you.

And clearly all the Yes voters also care.

1: They made this thread because you bumped them.
2: The OP doesn't mention Best Of.

Jarr2003 said:
For extra effect, you might want to get a bit more strict on locking old threads. As in if a thread is old and there is nothing to add to it, just lock it. I don't mean lock threads that are a month old, mainly threads that are around a year old that people can't really add to anymore (ex. Joke polls. ex. of a thread that shouldn't be locked: a gender poll that hasn't gotten a post in a while but is still useful). Plus, any pointless bump should be locked.

Lets also allow people to post Anonymously, and allow posters to embed files in their posts.

Chisako · December 2015

Just a few words from my end:

bumping a thread =/= messing with "best of..."

This does NOT mean, that messing with that underused feature is okay though!

i would be annoyed too if people would do that on purpose IF i would care about that vanilla feature for myself but since best of can also be bumped by let's say, removing false flags it is sometimes unavoidable and thus a different topic atm.

this thread here is about "real" bumps, as in commenting with "bump" or something like that, which adds nothing to the topic. (and it does not matter if necro or not)

besides that i'm kinda sad to see that something like that even is a topic to argue about. i asked you guys something specific which WILL have impact on the future.
but instead you argue about who did what wrong.

no, it does not matter who started it, not even a bit.
so, i politely ask you to get back to the topic, exchange opinions, share ideas on how we should do it or whatever.

thank you

edgy · December 2015

No

Chisako said:

i would be annoyed too if people would do that on purpose IF i would care about that vanilla feature for myself but since best of can also be bumped by let's say, removing false flags it is sometimes unavoidable and thus a different topic atm.

So giving legitimate reactions to old posts is ok?

OldMammal · December 2015

Tellurium

Chisako said:
Just a few words from my end:

bumping a thread =/= messing with "best of..."

This does NOT mean, that messing with that underused feature is okay though!

i would be annoyed too if people would do that on purpose IF i would care about that vanilla feature for myself but since best of can also be bumped by let's say, removing false flags it is sometimes unavoidable and thus a different topic atm.

this thread here is about "real" bumps, as in commenting with "bump" or something like that, which adds nothing to the topic. (and it does not matter if necro or not)

besides that i'm kinda sad to see that something like that even is a topic to argue about. i asked you guys something specific which WILL have impact on the future.
but instead you argue about who did what wrong.

no, it does not matter who started it, not even a bit.
so, i politely ask you to get back to the topic, exchange opinions, share ideas on how we should do it or whatever.

thank you

But we're not messing with it, BO exists to point out good points, which Leon was doing.

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