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Diabetica Daemonicus not affecting total lump harvest time

QokoQoko Member Posts: 287 ✭✭
edited January 9 in Bug Reports
Diabetica Daemonicus affects the maturity time (reducing it from 20 to 19 hours), however, the total ripe time stays as what it was without the upgrade. Both Stevia Caelestis and Rigidel reduce the entire process by an hour, so the lump keeps falling an hour after riping.

By logic, either all upgrades should only reduce the affected part, or everything down the line, but not that one does the former and another one does the latter. More specifically, by physics, only the latter applies: these processes aren't independent. You can't have a ripe lump without a mature one or a falling lump without a ripe one, and each process has its own base time to work. If DD reduces maturity, it should reduce the entire process by an hour, which it currently doesn't.
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  • MaddieMaddie Member Posts: 165 ✭✭
    Time to mature, time to ripen, and time to fall are independent of each other. There's no reason to assume that an upgrade that affects one will necessarily affect them all. And your cooking analogy is seriously flawed. DD does not extend the ripen/fall times to make it take just as long in total as without it.

    A more accurate analogy is making bread -- you have mixing time (time to maturity), rising time (time to ripen), and baking time (time to auto-harvest). Mixing it faster won't speed up the rising or the baking. Steam-rising it in a warm
    oven won't reduce the mixing or baking time, and baking it in a hotter oven won't have any effect on the mixing or rising time.
  • QokoQoko Member Posts: 287 ✭✭
    edited January 9
    Fair enough, that's a better analogy, but it doesn't negate my point.
    Maddie said:

    Time to mature, time to ripen, and time to fall are independent of each other.

    For the whole process of creating a lump they are dependent. Simplest explanation: a lump starts to ripe if it's mature and it starts to fall if it's ripe. It's how fruit works, basically.

    Best way to put this in numbers is to actually look at each process individually whilst summing them up for the total time.
    • Baseline: maturity 20 hours, riping 3 hours, falling 1 hour = 20+3+1.
    • Stevia : maturity 20-0, riping 3-1, falling 1-0 = 20+2+1.
    • Stevia + Daemonicus: maturity 20-1, riping 3-1, falling 1-0 = 19+2+1 expected.
    • We observe 19+3?+1, so maturity 20-1, riping 3-1+1?, falling 1-0.
    Essentially, DD decreases maturity but increases ripe time by an hour.

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  • BillaboBillabo Moderator, Friendly, Conversationalist Posts: 1,268 Mod
    Your problem is you're thinking of this in terms of REAL fruit maturing and ripening. It doesn't work how you expected it to, but it's also not a bug. Falling is dependent on ripening, but ripening and maturing are independent of each other and instead occur a set time after the previous lump falls. The benefit of DD is that it allows you to manually harvest the lump earlier.
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  • QokoQoko Member Posts: 287 ✭✭
    Billabo said:

    Your problem is you're thinking of this in terms of REAL fruit maturing and ripening. It doesn't work how you expected it to, but it's also not a bug. Falling is dependent on ripening, but ripening and maturing are independent of each other and instead occur a set time after the previous lump falls. The benefit of DD is that it allows you to manually harvest the lump earlier.

    Well, ok, going outside the boundaries of nature would allow any kind of setup. But fair enough :).

    Regardless of that, the buffs are still inconsistent. SC and Rigidel reduce riping and the whole process by an hour (including falling, which in itself is unaffected as the difference between riping and falling stays the same), whereas DD reduces maturity but keeps the riping time as it was.

    That seems unintended, and for a second-to-last hc upgrade it doesn't really make sense either: the latter is a different discussion in itself.
  • dparejadpareja Member Posts: 453 ✭✭✭
    No, DD is supposed to shorten maturation time while leaving ripening time unaffected. The whole point of DD is to allow you to harvest the lump sooner. (Plus it gets you toward the final upgrade that makes bifurcated lumps slightly more likely.)
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