This is a situation people will encounter in the next few days, with April 1 coming up. Five seconds is not much time to make a decision, so it's best to have a strategy in mind beforehand.

Scenario:

- The next "best buy" as defined by the cost in cookies divided by the resultant increase in production - what I refer to as "time cost" - is Theme Park, but I do not have enough cookies at bank to buy one. I can afford other buildings but I am holding off because Theme Park is the next best buy.

- I get "Everything must go", reducing the cost of all buildings by 5%. I still cannot afford Theme Park even with the discount, but I could buy Cookiecoin. Should I?

Here is my reasoning:

The time cost of Cookiecoin is currently less by 5%. However the time cost of Theme Park is unchanged, because I cannot buy it right now and will have to assume that when I buy it it will be at the non-discounted price. Therefore the two quantities I should be comparing are:

100% of time cost of Theme Park

vs

95% of time cost of Cookiecoin.

If the latter figure is lower, I should buy Cookiecoin; if it's higher, then I shouldn't buy Cookiecoin right now merely because i can.

I'd be interested to know if others have thought about this and if you can find any holes in my reasoning.

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I'm 2,700 hours in with 9 ascensions. My CPS is 15 septillion.

Edit: (math was way off) I usually ascend whenever I get over 10% my HC (currently 3 million) which seems to take about 4 days atm.

I just leave Cookie Clicker open awhile browsing now with Golden Switch on and let the 12 Wrinklers do the work. I pop them every 12 hours to get around 20 nonillion a day. If I'm bored I use Elder Covenant to appease the grannies and wait for some Frenzy / Dragon Flight combos.

I'll call the game completed when I get infinite cookies. Is that at 100 decillion?

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It took me three days to get to a shipment. I was not the best.

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'Get to 1 billion cookies with no upgrades purchased.'

I haven't got this one yet so it sems that I might ascend again in the morning and go for that one. I'll obviously need to activate Challenge mode for that.

Any thoughts on how long it'll take to reach a billion without any upgrades whatsoever? It's been a long time since I started clean.]]>

I have about four quintillion cookies and 157 prestige

I have 250 cursors 230 grandmas 200 farms and mines 160 factories 150 temples and banks 110 wizard towers 100 shipments and alcmey labs 60 portals 50 time machines 40 antimater condensers 30 prisms

I have about nine trillion cookies per second in 850 hours

43 percent achevements and upgrades

I don't know when to ascend for the first time

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First thing that comes to mind for me is: at each ascension I would note down the next really good heavenly upgrades I want to buy, and how many chips they cost. A number of times I have ascended, mainly for the prestige points, but have found that I am only just short of the number of chips needed to get that next big heavenly upgrade - a permanent upgrade slot, unholy bait, elder spice etc. and should have waited just a little longer.]]>

So, with the installment of a completely new version of the game (v2) as the primary game, Orteill was kind enough to leave the v1.0466 game running in a subsite, at http://orteil.dashnet.org/cookieclicker/v10466/ . As a result, I am continuing my quest, and getting closer to Dr. T.

I sense that most of the CC community has switched over to v2, and is now pretty much only interested in that. I'm wondering if there are any other players still using the v1.0466 version, and what they're doing in it, and what their goals are.

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No, but seriously, most important thing in cc, since there are a lot of noobs around who may not know that. Get a google doc, paste your save in regularly. That way you won't shit your pants when a problem occurs.

So, what we're trying to do here is to farm resets. The thing is, you can only ascend when you have at least one HC. So the idea is simple: how to get to one HC quickly and efficiently to be able to mass reset. Since we're trying to get 100 resets, you need to know that this process is long and boring, and will take multiple hours of

You need to wait until late game to do this. The key of reset farming is getting cookies really really fast as soon as your run starts, so you need a few millions HCs (I had 8M when running it) and a lot of Heavenly Upgrades. Farming for more HCs will make your production faster, but it will also make that one HC per run harder to reach, so don't wait too long before starting to farm for resets. You'll also need a lot of free time to farm, as I said earlier.

Well firstly know the game. You can use Ctrl to buy 10 buildings at once, and Shift to buy 100 at once. There are also other shortcuts like CtrlS to quicksave and all, so you can do a lot of things quickly and efficiently without having to scroll and aim for buttons (what is this, an incremental?). As I said, you need a reasonable amount of HCs for production multipliers. The mandatory Heavenly Upgrades to have are the Dragon, Season Switcher, at least 3 perma slots, the bonus cookies and biscuits and starter kit. You won't need golden cookies, wrinklers or angels, but synergies are gonna be helpful. And you can also get Starsnow for bonus fun. All other Heavenly Upgrade will help your run, but not tremendously.

In your perma slots, you're gonna put the 250 and 200 prism upgrades, as well as the last and/or second to last kitten. If any one of these is not available to you yet, then why the heck are you trying to farm resets? Also if you have some more slots you can put whatevs in that, I just keep my omelette in there cause why not.

Now, one last thing before we get to the strat. The HC completion bar.

When you reset, all your HCs you obtained during your run get converted, but not the completion bar. In this image, the bar is about 40% complete, meaning that it's 40% through making the next HC. As you can see, resetting will convert your HCs, but not the completion bar, meaning that in the fresh run you will still be 40% of getting a fresh new HC.

This means that you can play around with when you reset when farming for ascensions. You always need to reset at 1 HC, but it can be one and 5% or one and 90%, which means that your next run will take more or less time to complete. So don't be worried about overshooting the one HC mark, as your progress beyond will be maintained in your next run.

Now that all these formalities are done with, let's get into the strategy behind an actual run. With the current strat here, you can do a run in 3 minutes pretty much.

- You will start with 10 cursors and 5 grandma (starter kit and starter kitchen), just buy HC upgrades and all other upgrades as you buy cursors. It should go relatively quickly as you have lots of HCs.
- Once you have 100 cursors, buy ten of the most expensive building you can currently get as a pack of ten (should be something around Temples), empty store.
- Do the same with the newly most expensive building you can get as a pack of ten (should be around Shipments), empty store (you need to get kitten engineers).
- Buy ten Time Machines once you have the required 280Tr, then stock up on Prisms until you get 50.
- Empty store, activate Christmas season, buy the hat and max out on Santa, empty store.
- You should have all mouse upgrades by now. If you don't have them, spam click the cookie until you get the first one, buy it, spam click again until you unlock all the rest.
- Sell all buildings except for your 100 cursors and 50 prisms, then get 100 of each building, empty store.
- Purchase another season and activate Christmas back. Since you have just bought all Deer upgrades, your deers are on optimal spawn rate. By buying Chrismas again, you reseted the first deer's spawn time so that he will spawn much sooner, before you get to 1 HC.
- Max out on your dragon, activate the prism aura (Radiant Appetite) and then buy 100 of all buildings again.
- Get to 300 Cursors, 200 Grandmas -> Alchemy Labs. Buy Time Machines, ACs and Prisms by packs of 10 until you can't buy any anymore, empty store.
- If you still have some synergies left to buy, spam click for them a bit, they don't exceed 4Sp each.
- Get 9Sp by clicking a bit, get 200 Portals, continue to buy the last 3 buildings by packs of 10.
- You need to get to 150 Prisms minimum (13Sp), at which point you would have all Prism upgrades and two butter biscuits.
- The deer should come around now, clicking it will grant you well over your first HC required to reset.
- Reset, repeat the entire process.

- Get mass HC

- Backup your save

- Social life is crap, stay in your cave for days

- Learn how to use a keyboard

- Follow simple steps, you dummy

- Just freaking backup your save already, jeez]]>

I'm just under 27 decillion away from the 100 dec achievement and selling everything from Prisms down to Wizard Towers would generate just over 27 dec. So I'd get the achievement, increasing the milk by 4% and leaving me with enough cookies to buy all 300 prisms back again immediately, with a few cookies left over for sundries.

Whaddya reckon then? Does this seem like a good idea or should I just keep going the boring/safe way and pick up the achievement anyway in fifteen days' time? Common sense suggests that waiting is probably the best option but goddamn it I want the achievement! If I sell then in a few days' time will production have been impacted significantly, bearing in mind the extra milk, or will I be back where I should be, as near as damn it?]]>

I tried Cookie Clicker Classic, and realised very quickly why it was superseded and had to be improved.

The rate of production is proportional to the number of buildings. Hence, the time taken to acquire each new building is proportional to C/n where C is the cost of each building and n is the number of buildings already owned.

If C were constant, elementary maths tells us that time increases with log(n), or, turning it around, n increases exponentioally with T. Whacko!

Of course C is not constant. In the current version of the game there is an inflation factor of 15%, i.e. each new building costs 1.15 times the previous one. C increases exponentially with n, and this completely overpowers the effect of dividing by n in the expression C/n. Time now also increases exponentially with n, or equivalently we can say that n, and therefore the rate of production, increases only logarithmically with T.

Let's put this in layman's terms. Say you have been playing CC classic for two months, and on the second day (between T = 1 day and T = 2 days) you were able to get 50 buildings. (This is just a guess, I do not know what the actual number is.)

How long will it take you to get the next 50? Nearly two days. After a month of playing, how many buildings will you get in the second month? Thirty times as many? Nope. Only about 50. Play for 2,000 years, and you will only get about 50 between the end of the 1000th year and the end of the 2000th year. Although the total number of cookies baked will increase without limit if you let the game run long enough, it will very quickly become too boring to bother.

No wonder Orteil had to introduce building upgrades to double the output, cookie upgrades, dragon auras, wrinklers etc. All they do however is delay the inevitable.

You might think synergies would make a big difference. With a synergy, the output of one building is proportional to how many of another building you have, so the total production now starts to increase as the square of the number of buildings. Instead of C/n we have C/n^2. Sadly, n^2 (n squared) still increases much more slowly than the exponential increase of C, so the production still only increases logarithmically with time.

The effect of ascensions is interesting. I suspect that most people ascend when there is just not enough happening in the game to keep their interest, however they may choose to rationalise it. Each prestige level adds 1% to your production rate (once it is unlocked). Sounds good huh? But it takes longer and longer to get those prestige points, because it's only based on the cube root of the total cookies baked. I have not done the maths, but I am pretty sure that once again they will just leave the production rate as a logarithmic function of time.

As I said, it's depressing if you think too much about it. Maybe I should just play the game. :D

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Update: After a bit more thought, I have decided that the effect of ascensions and prestige points is that the production rate is proportional to the square root of time. This is substantially better than log(T), but you have to get very many ascensions , and the maximum number of upgrades each time, before you see this effect.

I won't bore you with the analysis unless someone asks me to.]]>

Beginning to Early game

buy a couple mines once you have enough money, and maybe a factory. click any golden cookies you may find. note: if your first gc is a lucky, the next one is probably going to be a frenzy, and vice versa. Buy more farms, and a couple more mines. Progress to the point of making 2 million cookies.

Early to Mid game

hire a grandma and then fire it, (alternate terminology for "buy" and "sell" in grandmas) to get more milk from just wrong. Get a bank and a couple more factories. Progress to the point of getting a temple, and get whats in a name, cookiedunker, tiny cookie, and here you go (you could also do these before making your first cookie) get temples and wizard towers.

Early-mid game

by now you've progressed to the point of having 15 of every building up to alchemy labs, hire 25 grandmas and then fire them, to unlock grandma upgrades. buy all of the grandma faces, and then bingo and research center. buy a portal.

Late-mid game

you may notice that your cps is starting to lag behind. this is where we go back to the humble cursor. buy around 200-600 cursors, and get the cursor upgrades. this will make cursors a major part of your production. hire one grandma, so the grandmapocalypse can start. buy the research upgrades up to communal brainsweep. buy time machines, antimatter condensers, and prisms. buy octillion fingers. ascend. you should get around 100-ish HCs. spend them on perm upgrade slot 1, which you should set to octillion fingers.

Late game

click 100 cookies, spend them on a grandma. click a couple times after that, and because of octillion fingers, you will get a lot of cookies. Spend them on banks. Continue clicking. Get a shipment, and more (100-200) grandmas. Continue on.]]>

I spent some time figuring out the pros and cons of popping wrinklers and came up with a formula. Rather than present the formula though, I'll explain the reasoning behind it:

Exploding a wrinkler incurs a cost, which can be estimated by the difference in wrinkler production from having one fewer wrinkler, multiplied by the expected time for the wrinkler to respawn. In that sense popping a wrinkler is much like selling a building; there is a loss of production as a trade-off for releasing cookies that presumably will be used to buy something else that increases production.

there is clearly no point in popping a wrinkler unless there is something you have in mind to buy with the cookies released. A building or upgrade will increase production by some percentage. By what percentage will production fall due to the loss of one wrinkler? A first guess would be to take the loss of wrinkler production, and divide that by the total wrinkler production. However this gives an overestimate. If (for example) this wrinkler has lived for one hour, but the expected time for replacement by respawning is one minute, the loss is only 1/60 of the above.

My condition for popping a wrinkler is then:

(Lifetime of wrinkler) * (fractional increase in production from object purchased)

> (expected respawn time) * (fractional change in wrinkler production)

There is an additional condition of course: i don't pop wrinklers unless I expect to release enough cookies to purchase the thing I want to buy.

This can do no more than give a rough estimate. I don't note down the time at which each wrinkler appears, so i am just estimating how long it has been there. Also, the "expected time to respawn" is just that - it may be sooner or later.

In practice this means I end up popping all or most of the wrinklers at once. This is because the loss of production is much greater with more wrinklers; there is not much difference between zero and one wrinkler, but a big difference between 9 and 10 wrinklers. As well as that, the fewer wrinklers remaining, the faster they begin to respawn. If it's worth popping one, it's usually worth popping them all.

It also means that I only pop wrinklers in order to buy expensive upgrades and high buildings. Normally it's only prisms and antimatter thingies. For anything smaller, it's generally better to just let existing production continue until I have enough cookies to cover the cost, which won't take very long.

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When I enter the Born again challenge mode, how many cookies do I need to quit it/ascend from it? The amount needed for the Prestige level 2, or the amount needed for my actual Prestige level (which happens to be 5.94 million in my case)?

It is kinda important, because I currently need ca. 170 septillion to get to each new Prestige level and that is not a number I could reach in a gameplay without heavenly upgrades. Without cheating.]]>

What do you guys think about this? Please express your opinion and thanks :p]]>

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